Should We Let 12-Year-Olds Vote?

Should We Let 12-Year-Olds Vote?


– Do you think 12 year olds
should be allowed to vote? – Absolutely not. – 12 year olds should not
yet be allowed to vote. – Generally, 12 yer olds are
easier to be manipulated. – 12 might be a little young, but they’re probably smarter than I am. – If they pass a test I don’t know. – Okay can we scratch that. – I do believe young people
really have an interest in politics and they deserve to be heard. – If they are allowed to vote, what are they allowed to vote on? – Maybe 16. Maybe, I could see that as a possibility. – I’m Toussaint Morrison, a writer, actor and musician
living in Minnesota. And in 1776, when the
United States was founded it would have been illegal for me to vote. In fact the only people who could vote were white males who owned land. And those white males, could not be Jewish Catholic or Quakers. Because all those religions
were barred as well. Thankfully this is not the case today and that’s because as most of you know over the past 240 plus years, access to the polls has been slowly but steadily expanding. For example, by 1830, property ownership and
religious restrictions were largely eliminated. In 1868, the Fourteenth
Amendment at least on paper gave African American
men the right to vote. Although many states, spent
years denying this right. 1920, the 19th Amendment made
it legal for women to vote and in 1971, the 26th
amendment granted 18 year olds, the right to vote. These are just a few landmark examples. Overall, the trend in this
country is moving towards greater inclusion and access. You can even visualize this increase, by graphing the percentage
of the total population that’s voted in presidential elections since the nation’s founding. And when you look at this chart, it’s interesting to think
about where this trajectory make take us in the future. For example, if we were to
build America from scratch today, would we? As we asked earlier,
let 12 year olds vote? – I don’t think that
12 year olds should be allowed to vote. – Sounds like a silly question, but remember back in 1776, it sounded silly to
let someone like myself who wasn’t a white male that owned land be able to vote. – Oh you’re going to a place I didn’t go. – Turns out, that right here in Minnesota one of the states longest
serving former lawmakers state representative Phyllis Kahn, spent several decades trying
to expand voting rights to young people. Here she is, in 1989, making her case that 12 year olds should vote. – Representative Kahn, you shared a vision of the
House Appropriations Committees, degrees from Harvard and Yale. And I think some people might say this can’t be a serious proposal. – It certainly is a serious proposal Eric. I came to it from
listening to the proposals for children’s gender and children’s plan, and I realized that there was one missing plank in all those platforms
and that’s the empowerment of children to help set their own agenda. I think history has shown
us that when a segment of society is denied the right to vote the rights, all the rights
of that segment of society are then inferior. – So here is what we know. The generalized trend in this country is toward a greater voting access. Some policy makers are
already thinking that young people are the next natural step. Maybe a good next step for us, is to ask these young people themselves what do they think about this – My name is Toussaint Morrison
and I’m going to be asking you some questions about voter rights and if you think that 12 year olds should have the right to vote. Here is like the mic rules, so like you’re not a rapper, do not hold it like this. If you were able to vote, do you think there would
be more discrimination towards people that are your
age or less discrimination? – I feel like there would be
slightly more discrimination because our opinion would
make a larger statement, and it would last longer. – And you think adults would be like, wow this is really screwed up now. – Yeah. – These 12 year olds screwed it up. – Yes. – Representative Kahn’s basic
premise was pretty simple if you can’t vote, you
can’t defend your rights. – Another lawmaker serving at the time was state senator Fritz Knaak. – The context back then as I recall it, was that there was a lot of discussion about protecting children. About protecting families. It was part of a, these things kind of surged nationally. Phyllis Kahn, whose point was this is all well and good. But the debate is really
among professionals and is anybody really paying attention to the kids? – Do you think everybody that is above 18 has knowledge of who they’re voting for? – No. – I’m 35, and I’ve seen
some people around my age still make some pretty
uneducated decisions. – Actually men’s brains
don’t start developing until they’re about 39. – So my brain is still developing? – Yes. – Today Phyllis Kahn
is no longer in office, but she does still care about the issue. She even remembers why she chose 12 as the age to start voting. – Right at about that time, I’d seen a government
notice that went out saying that all government
documents were prepared to a 7th grade reading level. I said oh, someone has already decided that that’s the proper
age of comprehension. So therefore, 12 year olds
should be able to vote if they can read government documents. – Raise your hand if you believe that 12 year olds should be able to vote. Raise your hands if you would vote the way your parents vote. Okay so now we’re getting some. Now we’re getting some. – I think, I wouldn’t
vote like them because everyone have a different opinion on certain things. – One of the things that
was sort of interesting is that the arguments that were made and I put them side by side, at one point. Almost exactly the same as the arguments that were made to not give women suffrage. They will just vote the way
their husbands tell them to. They’re not educated enough. They don’t think enough
about these serious issues. And if you put them side by side, the arguments were just
almost exactly the same. – And she’s right. Those arguments do parallel very closely to arguments, not just about women, but about blacks, about other minorities, all of that. Now they can’t really vote, which mad it all the more
irritating of course. Because you’re just being a bigot, no, I’m trying to be commonsensical here. – If you’re saying that
12 year olds cannot make intelligent decisions. I think that that’s true. That some 12 year olds cannot. As some 20 year olds cannot. Some 40 year olds cannot. And some 90 year olds cannot. – [Protesters] End gun violence. – [Toussaint] The question
of voting age is taken on new urgency as teenagers from Stoneman Douglas
High school in Florida, take the lead on an
international political movement. After a mass shooting at the school left 17 people dead. Young people across the
country and the world have staged town halls, walk outs and marches to call attention to gun laws and gun violence. – [Protesters] This is
what democracy looks like. – [Protester] Tell me
what democracy looks like? – [Protesters] This is
what democracy looks like. – [Toussaint] One of these
walkouts was spearheaded by Lane Murdock a high school
sophomore in Connecticut. In her petition Lane says that students lack of voting rights
inspired them to mobilize. This begs the question
Phyllis Kahn has been asking all along. How would our country be
different if these young people could vote. And is it a country we want to live in? – Last thing, raise your hand if you think schools would look different if you all were able to vote right now. – Thank you. – And there you have it. Everybody has an opinion. What do you think? Do you think this trend
will continue towards greater access or do you think
letting young people vote is a bad idea. Share your thoughts. And please do subscribe. I’m Toussaint Morrison. This is American From Scratch,
thanks for joining us. Hey everybody, this is Toussaint. In our next episode we’re going to discuss if we made America from Scratch today, would we even have states. So if you have an opinion
and you want it to be heard submit a video response and the link in the description below.

95 thoughts on “Should We Let 12-Year-Olds Vote?”

  1. If a 12 year old earned an income, if they're a child actor, for example, would they pay taxes on that income? Then yes, they should be allowed to vote.

    Excited for this show!

  2. It would be interesting to imagine how a changing voter demographic would impact all of the things that exist around voting — how political campaigns are organized and executed, how voters are targeted, and how (hopefully not just if) the law would address the big ethical issues surrounding the usage of personal information in demographic targeting, since minors are to a degree a protected class.

    But another side of it is, what would voter disenfranchisement efforts look like when they're targeted toward children, and how would they differ from what we currently see?

    Regardless, this is great! Excited to see where this is going. Thanks for putting this out there! 🙂

  3. This is fascinating and provocative! We are really looking forward to future episodes. Congrats on the launch!

  4. This was really thought provoking! While I don't thing we're ready for 12 year old voters, the context of the activism of students in response to the parkland shooting was well placed.

  5. My immediate reaction was heck no, because I was an idiot when I was 12. But then I remembered that there are plenty of stupid adults, and I would've at least voted better than them.

  6. As soon as I saw the footage of high schoolers protesting something clicked. Students care about the issues that affect them. When I think back to having to wait until my senior year to vote I remember feeling powerless. I remember feeling like I had no control over the things that affected me. We were learned. We were aware. We deserved the right to control our lives. Maybe middle schoolers feel the same way. Maybe they do feel that same powerlessness. Further, if they did have the power to vote they would not take it lightly. They understand its importance and this would encourage more engagement in civics and a deeper understanding of politics. I definitely would have paid more attention sooner. Voting felt so far away. All of this to say this video opened my mind. Excellent job.

  7. I think the main difference between the arguments about women or non-landowners or people of color's voting rights is basically the word "yet". Non-"white men" were considered to be inherently inferior, whereas this is a developmental difference. It's assumed that they're gonna be more aware of their surroundings when they get older.

    I'm pretty sure that both me and everyone I know have very different views on things than we did when we were 12. I basically didn't know anything about politics other than "current president is bad". In 8th grade a classmate punched me because I was wearing a T-shirt that I didn't know belonged to a political party (I am strongly against said political party now) – Now that I'm 10 years older I still agree with some views I held back then, but I can understand them better. I've learned how to do research into topics, I actually know stuff. At 12 it's very likely I'd have just voted like my parents did.
    12 is too young, I feel. 16 I could see. 14 is already on the "ehhhh" level, but it could be good to try out in small scales.

    I might be being really conservative here, I don't know.

    EDIT: I realized an example of 12-y/o's being far less politically aware than, say, 16 or 18-y/o's, and that's Tumblr. I've interacted with people who've been on fansites from age 12 and who are currently 18, and I've interacted with people who are 12 and have just recently become aware of stuff they can do. There's a difference between these two groups that most people over 16 that I know point out, and that's "formative years of experience". People who've been in communities for even 4 years more than their counterparts, and have some degree of awareness of what certain kinds of actions could lead to, tend to make far better decisions. 12 is literally the beginning of someone's political awareness, hence the "7th grade language" in laws. You can't expect someone to make informed decisions when they've had literally no experience of "being aware of communities and politics". You could make the argument that 2 or 3 years is enough, but I don't think "no experience whatsoever" is arguable.

  8. If 12 year olds (or what ever arbitrary age) gained the right to vote, I think it would have to be in the larger context of increased voter education. Too many people are either ignorant of or decided to not pay attention to politics. This is understandable given its increased toxicity recently. However, many people don't vote because they are uninformed, and those that do vote are more easily manipulated. So, before we get more voters I think we need smarter voters, and if those smarter voters are 12, break out the step stools!

  9. My take is that we should spend more time, earlier in school, teaching basic things about economy, sociology, political science to kids, inform them about contemporary issues through news articles reading etc. Then yes, absolutely. I also think it's time for most countries to include non-citizens (under certain conditions, not just passers-by) to vote.

  10. I wonder how our education around political issues would change if children were allowed to vote.
    I know that I always feel very uneducated around elections, but if children were allowed to vote.. would there be a larger focus on teaching children to think critically? Teach them about issues? Or would parties pander more?

  11. The issue isn't that we should let 7th graders vote, the issue is that we should only let 28 year olds vote (or in the video they said 39) for a fully developed brain.

  12. At 5:18, when asked if they would vote like their parents, they immediately entered the harrowing stasis of a risk/reward estimation, and unlike the quick answer to the previous question, we got a slow, frail 'Yes Maybe.' We've got nascent rebels here, I'm telling ya.

  13. One of the very intersting idea of voting rights starting at 12 is that kids get educated for democracy. and this education could take place in school at home and gain relevance bbecause it's link to an actual thing you're gonna do. so many people arrive at aduklthood with no clue about their democracy. and as a french american binationnal in france this happens despite lots of efforts from french schools but those efforts aren't relevant because everything is very theoretical. and since you don't go through the processe, their no incentive to have a prper understanding of it before it's too late. and given how complex american democracy can be(I vote in california). I can't expect young adults to have a good understanding of what is happenning.

  14. I'm really enjoying this series. I wish more people engaged with civics at this level – 12 year olds included! For me, improving society is as close as a 'meaning to life' as we're going to get, and it's something people should all strive to inform themselves on and participate in. I hope these videos help more people begin taking those steps.

    My two cents on the subject of the video: if 12 years olds were enfranchised, we would have to work towards educating them better on how to make these decisions for themselves. Maybe most 12 year olds today wouldn't be capable of expressing nuance or scope in their political opinion, but that doesn't mean that their opinion isn't valid, or that they'd never be able to improve. It really is identical to any other historical suffrage argument in that regard.

    If however, you think that the youth are a unique case unlike any minority in the past and don't believe that children would be able to escape the tribes of their parents, this article says the fertility gap is roughly 3:4 in favour of republicans: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=2344929 – so that's something interesting to keep in mind.

    I'll be looking forward to this series' explorations of alternative democratic models in America! Are there any municipalities trying new things? Will it be possible to repair the tribal schism in US politics? (Is the schism actually any worse than it was or are we all just suffering from sentimentalism?)

  15. people who are not old enough to use a gun are not old enough to tell the state how to use a gun, and all the state really is is a man with a gun. Besides people are more left wing when they are younger and become more right wing as they get older, on average, so reducing the age of voting is just a cheap way for the left to get more votes.

  16. If we are concerned about the safety of families and children then we should actually reduce voting rights to married people who have at least one legal child (either by birth or adopted).

  17. I believe that anyone who is allowed to vote should not have their rights infringed. Therefore either 18 year olds should be allowed to drink alcohol or they shouldn't be able to vote. The former is the answer

  18. I won't lie, I cried a bit when you showed footage of 'this is what democracy looks like'. I think I never really thought about that. Here in Brazil, people can vote, optionally, at 16. I'm actually voting for the first time this year, since my birthday is before the presidential elections. But some of my friends won't be able to make their voices be heard.

    If such a system is to be adopted, I think it should be gradual, and, in Brazil's case, remain optional for people under 18. But if I was already making those important decisions I'd make it optional here, too.

  19. im 12 this year and yes 12 year olds should be allowed to vote because when i went to school people started getting angry towards brexit

  20. The chant of this is what democracy looks like is a prime example of why 12 year olds should not vote as we do not live in a democracy but rather a republic

  21. Is there a consistent relationship between the expansion of the voter franchise and declining voter turnout? If so, why? Is there causation here or just correlation?

  22. Ok I paused at 4.06 and maybe you go into this later…but I'm curious about the IQ and socioeconomic demographics of the youth that you chose to interview. What is their location? Was this one sample location of the US that you took and did you sample more than one region?

  23. My problem with this is, I don't want to lose my given rights simply because someone else decides other Americans shouldn't have that right.

    I'm fed-up with Society trying to quash my 2nd Amendment right when Government Agencies aren't communicating with each other and enforcing the Laws as they should be, putting the Public at risk knowingly. This absolutely must Stop!

  24. I feel uncomfortable reaching any conclusions, as I'm not sure you've explored the side against the motion enough.

  25. Seeing kids protest reminds me of people in my school, often espousing the political opinions of the left in order to not receive any flack from thier peers. After school many opinions changed severely, including my own

  26. This is rather thought-provoking. On the one hand, at twelve most humans have begun to use their brains in a logical and analytical way. No longer are they agreeing with everything mommy and daddy said and they've even started to rebel a bit. This increased awareness of self as part of a greater environment in the prepubescent mind makes 12 a great age to lower the voting laws too. On the other hand, even though they are starting to think rebelliously they have only just begun to do so and can be easily manipulated into using that rebellious nature into voting for legislation that would actually be harmful to them just because the adults responsible for their care are against it.

  27. this is very interesting. i definitely think we should involve young people in politics by any means necessary, but i fear that most 12-year-olds would just vote for who their guardians tell them to vote for which may or may not be in their best interest. Maybe 16 would be a better number?

  28. A lot of good ideas in this video that hadn't occurred to me before.

    Here's another one I just thought of. Even if kids vote the same way as their parents, it would give more political power to people with children. Even with kids younger than twelve, politicians would make an effort to gain their parents' support in preparation for when their children are old enough to vote. (It's kind of similar to how Ray Krok marketed McDonald's to children in order to get larger families to come in, and thus, more sales.) Granted, politicians push "children" issues anyway, but usually to the general public, not specifically parents of young children, which can be a pretty big difference. (Ask any parent, and they'll tell you about all the times people without children tried to give them parenting advice, and almost all of it wrong.) I think the real issues that parents would be concerned about would be things like education, public safety, and investing in the future (which could mean greener technologies). Take, for example, the privatization of social security. Older people are typically against the idea, because they're not in a position to start investing in a private retirement company, but young people will probably need some form of privatization, because the public system would probably become more and more unreliable over time. So even if the children don't think about stuff like this, their parents might advise them to vote for their own long-term well-being. Whereas someone without kids might be more inclined to vote for short-term solutions.

  29. I'm completely on board with this, not just for the reasons you highlighted though. My main reason for supporting this is it would introduce people to voting at an age when they are most primed for learning! I got interested in politics in middle school and was very active throughout high school, studying how to tell which candidate best fit what I valued, how they would be able to change policy, what the policies and laws were and why they were that way. There's soooo much that one has to learn to do to be an informed voter and most adults don't have the time or energy to learn it. If we lowered the voting age I guarantee that political education would become far more robust in schools. This would lead to a whole generation of informed, educated voters; which no matter your political leaning is a good thing because it means less people showing up to the polls and just voting along party lines all down the ballot without understanding what they're doing or sometimes even why.

  30. Saying, 'many 12-year-olds are uninformed, but then so are many 35-year-olds,' gets at an important truth, but not the one people have suggested. It doesn't mean all 12-year-olds should be able to vote. It means some 35-year-olds shouldn't. We should require a minimum level of knowledge. Age requirements would then be unnecessary.

  31. One kid said, "Men's brains don't stop developing until they're about 39" – The prefrontal corteis responsible for rational decision making. It's fully developed in women at 21. Men's development isn't complete until 25. I don't know where the number 39 comes from.

  32. Older children should only be allowed to vote if they're informed enough. Kids are really smart and still willing to fight for their beliefs, and they're far less selfish. Schools should provide unbiased current event and news. One of the 6 schools I attended, a middle school, had a news show that played during homeroom. It was controlled and curated by the students (they got college credit+scolarships, and of course there were adults supervising) but it was too full of advertisements and silly kid things. It was also broadcasted to multiple other schools across the nation who opted into it. I feel like it would be a great idea to have this, but make it mandatory at some point in the day and dedicated to actual news. My homeroom had it playing while we did our homework at the end of the day (homeroom was only 30min compared to our 45min classes, and was always dedicated to homework or tutoring), I think this is a great idea.
    Another class I attended in the same school, after they stopped using the the homeroom news show, was social studies/language arts. Every day we were expected to come to class with an essay on something going on in world events. Though it couldn't be in America, and relied on the students having internet/tv/library access at home. Which I did not since I lived 100miles away in the mountains. I had to travel an hour on the bus every morning and night so even if I did have access I couldn't have time to do it. I fell asleep as soon as I got home every night, did my math and other homework on the bus. So I feel strongly it's the school's responsibility to provide this for the kids.

  33. I think (and I already thought that way before but thank you for giving even more arguments in favor of it) that we should start by letting 15 years old and older vote and if everything goes well then 12 years old and older. However, I don't think they should be eligible.
    The majority of teenagers don't care about politic but I believe that if they were given responsibilities a bigger part of them would care.
    I am 16 and I am very frustrated because I can't vote yet even though I am really interested in politic (way more that a lot of adults for sure as I am considering a political career)

  34. Should children have greater power in school boards as well? I feel this would be an appropriate first step to tackle this issue.

  35. I think it's plausible to basically just drop the age restriction altogether.
    However, it is a valid concern, that kids are far easier to manipulate. So I think, some sort of "quality assurance" should be given. And that's a big issue: I don't know what would be a good test here.
    If you make it too big a point that kids are politically literate, first of all you're actually holding them to a higher standard than anybody else, and second, it's a very slippery slope towards having the ruling party basically indoctrinate those kids: If the ruling party gets to decide what's on those tests, they might inherently be designed to weed out those who happen to not be sympathetic to said party.

    One thing to be considered is just how much weight this can be expected to have. In the 1960s, children made up about 36% of the US population. By 2050 it's estimated that that share will fall to 20.1%, apparently. Right now it's somewhere around 24%. So a third to a fifth of the population. That's quite massive.

    All that being said, I actually think it'd be more important to change the voting systems to something better. I really dislike binary choice voting systems. By only giving binary choices "I want this party and nobody else", you inherently boost us-vs.-them thinking and tribalism. It's no wonder such a system will cause the nightmare that's currently happening.
    Instead, the simplest system would probably consist of something like a star ranking, similar to Amazon. You could say "I like this politician a lot but I really don't like that one, whereas this one's kinda meh", giving far more accurate a picture of your true opinions.

  36. Before becoming a legally registered voter, I voted only twice, the first time when I was in grade school ("supporting" George Bush) and the latter time when I was in high school ("supporting" Barack Obama). Why? He's the same race as mine who spent 8 yrs under political authority. He's the predecessor of Donald Trump.

  37. Federal and state governments should allow people 16 maybe 15 years old to pre-register to vote and vote in primaries if they'll be 18 by the time of the election. However, no 12 year olds are too young for such a decision.

  38. I'd get felon's the right to vote first. I.e. eliminate the ability of the government to strip people of voting rights.

  39. this is a pretty bad idea, even as a 16 years old that has interest in various domains concerning what the gouvernment should do, i still think that my prefrontal cortex has not yet develloped enough in order to vote

  40. Children are a group that is subject to parents. Not because they are required to but because they need to. Very few 12 year olds could deal with the world. And fewer would be able to vote and take it in a serious manner. I say this having been a political kid, I just never understood most issues until I grew into my own opinion.

  41. As someone who has just turned 17, and was a very politically active 12 year old, I don't think so. When I was 12, all I saw was one side, I had zero nuisance to my opinions. I used to think all republicans were evil just because they had voted against gay rights. I didn't understand the broader scope. I also didn't, and probably still don't, truly understand economics. When I got my first paycheck, I was taxed at 25%, which seemed crazy to me. When I was 12, I was always for raising taxes for the 'greater good' but it was not until I got taxed that I understood how taxes impact people.

  42. Sorry, but I feel you need to be at least out of teenagehood, to vote-at least in my opinion.

    18 is young enough as it is.

  43. I (personally) think kids should be able to vote. If we are the future of America we should be able to mold the future that will be left for us. We have a fresher newer mind with more knolege for the benifts towerds being more aware of the future more than any 40 year old. Just as much as a 18 year old can make a stupid decion so can a 12 year old but letting us have this eight can help us mold not the future people of America. We should be able to be involved in the country's problems since we are going to have to face them in the future

  44. Twelve seems a little young to me. Maybe sixteen? Though, in my opinion, what really needs to change is how the candidates are presented to us. There needs to be a website that not only tells us who's on the ballot, but what their stances are on various issues. I voted via absentee, but I spent forever trying to Google around and compare people, and I never once felt like I had enough information to truly make a decision.

  45. The same question should be asked, should the drinking age be lowered to 12? No, it shouldn't, all this bs is happening because trump won. You liberals are so desperate that it's pathetic.

  46. I don't think 12 year olds should be able to vote. The age that people should be able to vote should be based upon when the average human brain is developed. Young people still deserve a voice and to be protected and I think It's the role of parents to take that into consideration when casting their vote. 
    Voting should not be the only way people can participate in democracy.

  47. This is crazy for so many reasons. From an apolitical view, minors cannot enter a legally binding contract, but because they give up rights they are a protected class. If it were up to me I'd make voting even more of a privilege, maybe you don't have to own land or pass a literacy test (although that doesn't sound like a bad thing) but something like mandatory military service or volunteering for some other state or federal program to better the union for a year or two would be good for the country

  48. First Its illegal aliens, then its felons, now its minors.. The democratic party will stop at nothing for power. They would change their tune in about 5 seconds if 500,000 workers from Alberta crossed into ND to work on a pipeline and eventually settled in MN, AND voted republican along with their manipulated 12 year old kids and 12,000 of the laid off workers with felony DUI hit and runs

  49. In local elections to start with why not? Might be useful to set them up for bigger elections when they reach 16. Allowing them to gain experience on a small scale.

  50. Age and gender,race… are completly different things. It doesn’t stay with you for your whole life, so this is a dumb argument. Just another way for people to try to victimize themselves.

  51. The 7th-grade reading level for government documents thing is about making it so people who dropped out of high school could read those things if they wish. Saying 12 years old's should be able to vote at that point just means the reading level for government documents should be even lower, like 5th or 6th-grade reading level. For the sake of those that failed a year of reading or simply never read well. I think 16-year-olds should be able to vote and I'm 21 btw.

  52. Can we talk about the elephant in the room? Several recent elections have been decided by the electoral college rather than the popular vote. The USA is NOT a democracy. Our votes don’t count for much in the Presidential election; for other things, the vote does a lot more.

  53. When you pay bills, then you can put things into perspective. The age of employment should be the age to vote or own a gun.

  54. As a teacher, I see how much better kids and teens behave when you give them responsibility. They step up to the plate. It's when they have no responsibility (and no risk of failure or letting other people down) that they don't behave well. I don't necessarily think that we should give 12 year olds the right to vote, but definitely 15 year olds are ready for that particular responsibility. (And we allow them to drive in the US at that age anyway, even if it is just a permit.)

    In general, I don't see why we should infantilize people until the age of 18 and then expect them to be ready to be full adults with all the responsibilities that come with that. We need to incrementally increase responsibility and independence so they're ready by the time they leave high school to be on their own. I know I wasn't prepared well and wasn't allowed to have responsibilities until I was 18 even though I was ready for and needing more control over my life earlier in high school.

    I think kids are more intelligent and more mature than their parents, and other adults, give them credit for. If you've known someone since they were a baby, they will always seem like a baby to you.

  55. As someone who works with students, the youth are the most marginalized group in the US, including all minorities. They should of course vote, but I never thought of starting at 12.But I am not opposed!

  56. i believe that children should have the right to vote on issues that affect funding towards education. it makes no sense that now that i'm in college i'm voting in state elections that determine whether there are standardized tests in elementary schools.

  57. How about putting Civics class back into The school curriculum to get kids interested in their communities, states and country

  58. "The question of voting age is taking on new urgency…"
    No! Phrasing it that way is such a biased weasely way of segue-ing. T Whether or not urgency policy change is needed is a matter of opinion, and to see the news pretend otherwise shows their bias. The media is propping up a small segment of gen Z who don't represent the opinions of the generation at large and making these "march for our lives" rallies full of boomers to pretend like teens are now suddenly all anti-gun.

  59. I'd be more open to letting 12-year-olds make the decision on whether or not they were mature enough to have a beer than to decide the outcomes of elections.

  60. I think that anyone who pays taxes should be able to vote. Obviously at least some age barrier should probably be in place because there are some very young child actors who make money but probably are not ready at all to be involved in politics. So maybe middle school is a good age, so no one under 12 like said in the video. But I do think that it’s crazy that minors pay taxes to their government when they work but they don’t get to vote, so we’re paying to support a government we didn’t choose and I think that’s wrong. If they are to be expected to do things like pay taxes then I feel that it is ridiculous that they aren’t allowed to vote. And also if you got employed and are keeping a job that shows that you aren’t just sitting around with your parents all day and that you are contributing to society and are probably less likely to be influenced by your parents opinions as well. Also I definitely don’t think that age is completely a gage of maturity because I know 23 year olds who no nothing about politics and live with their parents and don’t work or contribute to society and they are allowed to vote when younger people with more knowledge aren’t able to. And the simple fact is, it’s the young people who are going to be most directly affected by the consequences of the choices our government makes today because they are setting up the world that we are going to be living in and we don’t even get a say in what they’re doing to it.

  61. No because ideologies change and not to mention there are a lot of kids and Democrats use kids very easy as tools for power and were really guilible at that age and I think kids are more likely to vote Democrat at that age

  62. I think 12 years old should vote, but I think there should be a test to see if your knowledgeable. Some kids can encourage other kids to vote for a certain person through social media, etc., but the person encouraged to vote could lack the political knowledge. This can happen through many sources. So yes I think they should vote but there should be a test in school if you want to to vote or not. It could really make an impact on the country.

  63. I'm 28 now, and as someone who was abused as a child, I absolutely would have wanted the right to vote from a young age. Having the right to vote means being seen as legitimate enough to have your opinion heard, respected, and catered to. There are many serious circumstances that kids face beyond just mass shootings, including abuse, bullying, molestation, grooming, exploitation of labor, and (particularly for kids of color) police brutality. Kids can also be trans, queer, disabled, neurodivergent, and so forth, which means they, too, can and do experience unique dangers due to their identity. Having the ability to vote could, with time and advocacy, lead to positive changes for kids faced with these circumstances.

  64. Shoutout to all the 12 year olds out there who can’t say their age online because of social media censorship

  65. Methinks giving the right to vote to people who get more welfare than they pay in taxes will necessarily induce perverse incentives.

  66. Women's suffrage was a great, wonderful idea. The first thing they did was ban alcohol and cause the rise of organized crime, increased gun violence, and gun control. Feminism has been so wonderful for society that everyone is now miserable, and our jails are crowded by men who grew up fatherless. Great stuff…in theory.

  67. I have better idea: with 9 you can vote, with 13 you can be elected.

    13 because it matches the dividing line between children and teens.

    9 because that's the age when kids have reasonable motor and language skills.

  68. I asked my 6-year old what she would vote for if she could vote. To sum it up, free cookies every day, free unlimited toys every day, free castle that we can live in, and free scientific research to come up with a potion that makes her fly. If 6-year olds could vote, there would be a candidate who would promise all these things, and he/she/other would win. 12-year olds would double the insanity listed above. If you don't get why lowering the voting age is a bad thing, you can't possibly have a brain cell in your noggin.

  69. Saying “12 year olds voting is crazy? Yeah they also thought letting people of color voting was crazy too at one point!” Is a very out of context and weak argument

  70. I am 14. I find it so funny that the people in privilege always debate whether or not those of us that aren't deserve the right to vote. Greta Thunberg and Malala Yousafsai addressed the UN when they were 16 years old. Give me one good reason why kids shouldn't vote.

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